Although, thinking about your comment (and not being an engineer), for horizontal fixed sheets where joins are not supported, wouldn't the tape and stopping be what prevents the unsupported joins from breaking?
zak410,
Aug 22, 7:04am
Sure, but think about it; the Gib doesn't touch the floor, then the physical bracing relies on the screwing pattern. (yeah right) so don't worry too much (as far as bracing goes) about the kind of tape used for stopping.
digmen1,
Aug 22, 2:04pm
It would help if you said where you were?
Stewart Island or the Far North. That's a lot of travelling.
golfaholic2,
Aug 22, 3:11pm
Takes but several minutes for the plaster etc to fail in a fire wall , you rely on the Gib itself (at least that is my understanding) . 13mm std actually gives you something closer to 45mins rating , so fibre tape on a 13mm 30min fire rated wall will not compromise the rating one iota IMO . Does one give consideration to manufacturer specs and the risk of not following them to the letter ?
Be careful not to confuse fibre tape with fibre fuse . they are two different products . one is shit , the other (latter) could be better than paper tape . I have no problems with the fibretape in most situations however - I would not allow it in critical areas , like on butt joins should they not be back blocked , nor where cracks are more likely to happen , ie if looking at the plan , joins in ceilings which come off external corners off the end of wing walls .
The fixing of high spec homes does make a difference . beside waste factors , which can be minimised without compromising quality thru a little forethought , and by minimising cockups , things like consideration to lighting both natural and probably more importantly natural , are critical . That said . a home that high a spec should really be level 5'd
I have not come across one fixer which I'd use on my own home , but then I'm a fussy bugger lol
golfaholic2,
Aug 22, 4:14pm
I heard thru the grape vine that Gib are developing a fibre fuse type tape . doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the advantages of the product
ayjay1,
Aug 23, 3:49am
What is the sqm rate for gib stopping where you live johotech?
jezabeel,
Aug 23, 6:37am
Fiba fuse is great, I will never touch paper tape again. Think I read it is 8x stronger than paper. I used fibre tape in main joins for at least 20 yrs, never had an issue.
zak410,
Aug 23, 6:47am
Your best bet is to ask your plasterboard supplier for some fixers' names, they will know the 'regulars'.
charie4,
Aug 23, 1:54pm
My son in law is a gib fixer and a good one if you email me I will give you his phone number. He is in CHCH.
jkp58,
Aug 23, 3:28pm
most fixeres are only interested in putting gib up as fast as they can .t They do not pack anything that may have been misted by the builder.As a painter with 40 years plus in the trade I am finding the gaps around window and door frames are getting worse and the cutting of the gib is also getting bad.I paint houses that win master builders awards from $300,000 to Million dollar plus homes and im using lots more no more gaps than I did pre 1990 when more buiders put up there own gib
golfaholic2,
Aug 23, 3:30pm
Ive heard 60% stronger for fibre fuse over paper tape . I would prefer to see official test data before making any judgement on strength tho . in all honesty , I have a nagging doubt . There is no doubting its great to work with all the same , and it will be used thruout my house when I rebuild. As for fibre tape - Ive seen Gib sheets torn in half diagonally after the EQ's where the fibre taped joins never cracked . Also seen joins in critical areas crack before the EQ's and as Ive said above , I'd NEVER use it on a butt join as Ive seen them crack many a time . Overseas they use the fibre fuse in internal corners . that might work with a corner trowel , but I like sharp corners
zak410,
Aug 23, 6:10pm
I find paper-tape ideal for internal corners and some corner tools leave a sharp corner.
As an alternative to paper and very easier to use for internals is the 'Tuff-tape' (the softest and cheaper tape in there range) made by 'Straitflex:
I had seen a crew fix without glue even on the ceilings ,just madness trying to get the job done so they could go to the pub.
golfaholic2,
Aug 23, 8:13pm
Watch those grand design programs etc from the UK or US , they dont even use glue . Got be buggered why they wouldnt .
jezabeel,
Aug 23, 10:19pm
Never used a corner trowel in my life, as a painter as well, it is impossible to cut in a straight line on a rounded corner. I have no trouble at all getting a sharp, square corner using fiba fuse.
zak410,
Aug 23, 10:36pm
Just wondering here; do you wear a dust mask at all time while taping or are the glass fibers from Fibafuse no problem for you; it must be particularly bad when taping ceiling joints, no?
golfaholic2,
Aug 24, 12:16am
Too easy to cut IMO . especially for a novice
mm12345,
Aug 24, 12:27am
Would fiba-fuse be appropriate for taping joins/ repairing cracks in fibrous plaster board sheet? I have a job to do. New "plaster-glass" is moulded with rebate for the joins. The old stuff they just butted and filled. In earthquakes it stood up well - apart from cracks in joins (the only gib in our house was an abject failure - it delaminated, shattered, and all ended up on the floor).
golfaholic2,
Aug 24, 3:16am
they make a sheet form of fibre fuse .
jezabeel,
Aug 24, 4:39am
Ive only done a few houses with it, but I was thinking I probably should, can definitely feel it on my arms when using it, so I cant imagine it would be good to breathe it in long term.
jezabeel,
Aug 24, 4:44am
I use a well used knife with rounded edge for 1st coat.
jezabeel,
Aug 24, 4:46am
It would be ideal for fibrous plaster id say
mm12345,
Aug 28, 1:30am
Seems to work well, as part of EQ repairs I replaced 3 sheets. For lack of anything better I could find, I used a multitool to cut a rebate in the old panels where they butted up against new with cast rebate, then fibafuse, It's come up good - and was easy to use. Full sheets of plaster aren't easy to handle - on your own, Much heavier than gib.
johotech,
Apr 29, 6:45am
I have used fibre fuse on fibrous plaster. Use cove bond instead of base coat.
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