Had a contractor come over to remove approx. 6m2 of gib from the ceiling so we could get in and do some work. Took them about 1.5 hours of rough cutting. All seemed average.
However, the side walls were dented during the process, upper skirting boards removed and vanished, and we just got the quote to install new gib, plaster and paint. $6000! I priced up retail gib to approx $300 and plaster and paint approx $150. I can't see any more than 4 to 5 hours work in total, but then again, this is not my trade.
Builders crack shows the average rates as do a few other sites. What do you all do in this situation? Just dispute the 2 hours labour against the damages and move on with another chap?
Cheers
alleycatz,
Sep 21, 2:05am
pay for the 1.5 hours - say 2 hours work so far and lesson learnt. get someone else
nzshooter01,
Sep 21, 2:14am
$6000 is over the top in my opinion, Lets say 1 days work for 1 man? And a few dollars worth of materials ,ie 2 sheets of gib and a bag of plaster, Ill do it for $1000
bryalea,
Sep 21, 2:26am
We are in the process of having a kitchen ceiling replaced. Insurance job. Roughly 20m2 max. Included removal but not disposal, lowered ceiling, gibbing, plasterer, painting and electrician two visits and is 8k.
apollo11,
Sep 21, 5:31am
Gibbing and plastering is one of those jobs where when you have finally done enough of it to know what you are doing, you really don't want to do it anymore. And the gib needs to be put up properly on a modern house as it's usually part of the bracing calculations. Whoever you get in to do your plastering, make sure they note down to what grade of finish it will be done to.
kata001,
Sep 21, 5:57am
Don't panic ceiling jib not bracing .
apollo11,
Sep 21, 7:22am
Just rambling. They have also said they are going to be getting in a professional to do it.
blueviking,
Sep 21, 4:33pm
There should only be 1 grade of finish on new gib and that's paint finish, no blemishes.
blueviking,
Sep 21, 4:37pm
As shooter says, it should be no more than 1k, even though ,they have to make multiple trips, as it should only be 2 joins and screw holes. Pay them half and get someone else in. They obviously just smashed up the scotia to get it off, that's why it vanished. So there's that cost to get back off them as well.
nimade,
Sep 21, 8:56pm
Yeah thanks. I'm not going to pay the first invoice and will dispute it until we come to an arrangement per the damages. Currently looking for somebody else in Auckland to get it finished off.
nimade,
Sep 21, 8:57pm
We're not paying that, and I'm not sure what the lesson is, other than to not call those cowboys again?!
tegretol,
Sep 22, 4:40am
How do you remove the scotia and replace it? By the time you do get it off then surely it's stuffed?
The OP doesn't say how big the room is so a quote for $1000 seems pretty random.
kata001,
Sep 22, 4:55am
You haven't seen my plastering level 3 at best need 6 beers to bring out my artist best .
nimade,
Sep 22, 8:14am
Same amount of gib as removed is being replaced, as per above. If that scotia is ruined when it's removed then that's fine. The dents/holes in the wall are unquestionable though.
blueviking,
Sep 22, 4:28pm
I've removed scotia from countless rooms without damaging it and put it back up. You pull the nails from the back or just use a grinder to cut them. And if the ceiling was stuffed then the monkeys should have levered the scotia from the top.
martin11,
Sep 22, 7:06pm
Love to see you do that if it was a plaster Scotia
nimade,
Sep 22, 7:40pm
I thought so! I mean, looking at the remaining stuff, I don't think it rocket science to.remove it. Couple of nails. Too easy. These guys were just monkeys.
nzshooter01,
Sep 23, 2:27am
6 square mts, so thats around $1000 per mtr, tell him hes dreaming
blueviking,
Sep 23, 3:53am
I've done plaster scotia as well, where I had to match the new corners where they had removed walls.
apollo11,
Sep 23, 4:13am
We redid an art deco bungalow with original ornate fibrous plaster mouldings. slid a hacksaw blade behind them and cut off all the nails to the wall, then did the same for ceiling. Was quick and painless.
zak410,
Sep 23, 5:42am
Lucky for you. I'm surprised plaster cornices/scotias were held by nails ?
apollo11,
Sep 23, 5:59am
Fibrous plaster, quite chunky and heavy. I don't know how else you'd be able to hold the stuff up. Some of the smaller profile was destroyed when the house was cut in half for moving so we ended up making a mould and cast what we needed out of plaster and hessian.
krames,
Sep 23, 6:44am
did the quote allow for removal of battens and reinistatment of new straight ones installing new gib /plastering/painting and supply/install of new trim ? ,
richynuts,
Sep 23, 9:18am
there is no way you could do all that in a day. You have 2 (plus) sheets to put up. 3 coats of stopping. Often stopping over parts of ceiling that is existing and already painted you will need to pigment seal first. Then you can often get pin holes in plaster that is applied over the painted part of ceiling so that will need to be sorted also. Cornice to put back up. once thats all done you have to prime then 2 coats of paint, hopefully just ceiling flat. can turn to crap if paint required has a sheen. If there is dents in walls they will also need fixed and painted. 2 days if all goes well. Obviously a few trips back and forth but at least 16-20 hours I'd say. $80 an hour plus materials. picking just that lot up can be an hour or so. however 6k is taking the piss.
blueviking,
Sep 23, 5:10pm
They even have tools called multi-tools with nail cutting blades, so why you have to smash scotia to get it off still baffles me.Putting a crowbar through the gib once is a mistake, but multiple times is just being lazy.
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