Industrial Adhesives

1rad8, Mar 29, 10:20am
I was just told that I could use an industrial adhesive to glue a piece of wood onto brick.I plan to mount a trellis for a creeper to grow on and I'm not really keen on drilling a hole into the mortar with a screw in it.And also glue somecoat hooks onto the inner side of doors.
Is the wood on brick idea feasible!And whats a good,not very expensive industrial adhesive you can think of!
Thanks ahead:)
cwnda, Mar 29, 12:39pm
If the doors are internal plywood panel type, use toggle screws.

When dealing with adhesives the words "good" & "not very expensive" probably shouldn't be used in the same sentence. If you don't like the thought of drilling into the mortar, why don't you drill into the centre of the brick!
paull, Mar 29, 1:26pm
no more nails, is great
mark_g, Mar 29, 7:23pm
I'd be drilling into the mortar and using dynabolt fittings for main wood supports and tacking trellis to that. Do not underestimate the pulling power and weight of a creeper on trellis.
There's loads of very good cementous products for filling the mortar when you change your mind and remove the trellis. Most of them provide better strength and resiliency than what existed before you drilled the hole.
1rad8, Mar 30, 9:37am
Thanks mark_g,I have heard arethink and came to your conclusion,the trellis with creeper would be really heavy so I've decided to go with M12 120mm dynabolts drilled into the brick.
Oo thanks cwnda,that's what I was looking for.toggle screws!
cantabman1, Mar 30, 11:58am
The best glue for around the house fixits that i have found is great and has never let me down is,
Bostik Titan bond Plus.
spirogryo, Mar 30, 1:04pm
Please No-No.I would strongly advise against dy-na bolt in mortar joint.The higher the bolt.the greater the risk of jacking bricks.
1rad8, Mar 30, 7:17pm
Oh.would a M6 60mm dynabolt be fine then!I'll be putting it into the brick itself.
hanmer, Mar 30, 8:03pm
if you can get 1ZB on-demand, listen to friday's progamme 9-.930 where a caller asked Peter Wolfgang -the expert builder - what he can use when he espailier's his apple tree against a wall.
1rad8, Mar 31, 3:15am
Thanks hanmer,I just listened to it but there was no mention of what was used to secure the wood to the wall.
mark_g, Mar 31, 9:01am
Makes sense.

What about chemset fixing then! Chemset don't force an expansion nor apply pressure (beyond being tapped in). Chemset don't come out though. Removal option is usually cut and grind off at the base.
cwnda, Mar 31, 10:09am
Do you have access to the back side of the bricks! If so, use the toggle system- drill right through & use a doubler plate on the back to spread the weight. Easily removed & easy to fill the hole later & the wall retains its integrity.
1rad8, Mar 31, 11:19am
Hi Cwnda,sorry I do not have access to the back side of the bricks.The wall I want to use is the outside of the living room.
Mark_g.I read about the chemset before,though it was too much of an hassle to get done with the adhesive and bolt.However it's looking to be a good option now.
Whatabout the screw in anchor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch!v=MbGNaHoeWr0
cwnda, Mar 31, 11:30am
Ok - how about running timbers vertically from the foundation (where a dynabolt would work well) up to under the eaves (where it could be attached with screws) & using them as the backbone of your trellis. No glue, no brick damage, easily removed later.
1rad8, Mar 31, 11:49am
HI there cwnda,thanks for your replies.Really appreciate it.The idea of running two vertical timbers from the foundation is good.But not up to the eaves.I already got the trellis waiting to be fixed up and it's smaller and thus would expose (maybe unsightly)the upper lengths of the vertical timber.
I can only dig down for one dynabolt on the foundation and I'm worried the wet soil (because it has to be covered again) would deteriorate the bolt and timber quicker than normal even if they are protected.
I am also putting up two trellis in different areas but on brick walls.
mark_g, Mar 31, 5:11pm
Don't suppose there's a Ramset outlet or fixing specialist near you! Their advise would be worth while for you. Chemset is not problematic nor difficult. That masonary type screw anchor in that you tube vid might do the job.

Despite what I said, you don't need something that's going to hold your house up in an earthquake. but you do need something that will do the job. If your vertical bits can be battens i.e. probably no more than 20mm thick then what about this sort of thing:
http://www.scrooz.com.au/categories/fixings/raptr-screws/

I'm sure a specialist fixing supplier will have something similar, even up to those screw in anchors. Hit the book for your nearest fixing supplier - mico wakefield or similar. These people do sell to the public and what you get here is real advice from someone whose job it is to know their stuff, because they deal with tradies all the time.
1rad8, May 5, 2:20am
Hey mark_g.that looks good! Thanks for that link.
Yeah the masonary type screw anchor was an ideal choice,however the link you provided gives another option.Which I think is better.I was worried about a brick developing cracks from a screw in anchor so I might just get those raptr screws.
I'll check around for those screws and get advice from a fixing specialist.
Thanks sooo much:)